Doubting Bro

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  To all JDub lurkers: How can you continue to preach knowing that you are telling lies?

  by macys in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a damn serious question.

  you must know by now that jerusalem was not destroyed in 607 bce and that 607 was initially picked by ct russell by using his "pyramid scheme" measurements.

  there is no hiding these facts yet you continue to preach this nonsense.

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  Doubting Bro

  Everyone has to live with their choices and no one has the right to criticize another's path. I quit doing that when I realized the JWs were not the truth and that there is no true religion. How is the OP any different from JWs saying that all non-JWs are bad people who will ultimately be destroyed?

  Perhaps you'd like to go over every detail of my life and tell me what to do since you're in the business of judging and controlling others?

  For the record, I don't go out but even when I was a hard core JW, I never made a convert and if you look at the numbers, most people don't. FS is busy work, meant to give purpose to the group. Converts in most places are a relic of the past.
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  The wonderful things you hear AFTER you step down as an elder!

  by redpilltwice in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  well, well, that was quite a heartfelt welcome on this site four days ago.

  thank you all for the encouraging replies.

  one of them was this one from magnum: "hey now, don't just pop your head in and disappear.

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  Doubting Bro

  I encountered a little bit of that myself. Certainly not doubts about the organization but more complaints about elders.

  I'm pretty sure there are at least one or two other people in my congregation who feel the same way I do but none of us are willing to walk out on that limb.

  I've met a few others from this board who are in my part of the country and having an "aposta-fest" at the circuit assembly or regional convention (even hung out with a board member at the international) is such a relief.

  The person who actually got me to finally investigate my religion of birth and who is also in the same position as me is a friend. I'm sure he reads this board as well although for the sake of plausible deniability, neither of us have mentioned it.
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  Half of the cong was dancing last night

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so went to the meeting last night.

  i had not been to one since before the holiday break (3 weeks ago).

  besides, it was our first meeting in the new format.

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  Yeah, it was really weird. I really felt isolated standing there with no lyrics
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  I almost died laughing at the meeting last night. OMG WTF is going on? Have I been away this long?

  by macys in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok so most of you guys know already that i am going through the reinstatement process for my parents but i do have a partially sinister plan which i will not mention here since someone told me that there are b-lites that read boards like this.

  last night and it was the funniest experience i have ever seen.

  besides that the brother doing the sound and video screwed up the whole thing when showing the videos and it took 3 brothers to fix it after 10 minutes, the whole thing was a joke.

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  That song was literally the worst thing I ever heard. Several people were making fun of it, even the chairman made fun of it after they played it first with no singing.
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  Hello, I'm new here too!

  by redpilltwice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi everybody, 1st post here.

  20 years jw, elder for 6 years, regular pioneer for 3 years, have always been following the 2012 candace conti abuse case with much interest, especially since the case suddenly disappeared from www.watchtower.com's news section (thanks brother j. r. brown, office of public information, because it led me to "worldly" websites for more info), leading to more and more dissatisfaction , leading to jwfacts, jwsurvey, ad1914, wtdocuments etc., leading to my awakening about 4 months ago, now fading faster and faster to zero meetings and zero field service...and you know what?

  it feels good!.

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  Doubting Bro

  Welcome and look forward to your contributions!
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  Is the Watchtower organisation facing the biggest crisis of its history?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  recent developments make me think they might be.

  the problems they are facing are not just lack of funds but also draining authority, and the two could be a heady and explosive mix.

  one of the best analyses ever written of the watchtower was a book called "trumpet of prophecy" by sociologist james beckford in the 1970s.

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  Seems to me like the big crises in the past were caused by either internal fighting or failed prophesy. People were passionate enough to make a change and leave in both the 20s & 75-77. This time, what they are facing is much more difficult to deal with. Apathy is their biggest problem. And so far, they haven't come up with a way to deal with it. I really think they are close to if not already topped out but I don't believe we'll see a major decline but rather a slow decline as older ones die off and kids just don't get baptized or leave as soon as they are able. Conversions have slowed down to almost nil in developed countries and I would image as resources dwindle the ability to make converts in 3rd world countries will diminish as well.

  How far they reduce remains to be seen.
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  Slightly different approach - JW my tradition

  by closed in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello everybody :) i have been visiting this forum for some time.

  i noticed that many can't really free from the past in the org despite many years outside of jw.

  i was awaken with a bang.

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  Doubting Bro

  To me, it really boils down to which path has the biggest downside. For some, the pain of staying in is worse than the pain of getting out. For others such as you, the downside of getting out is far more painful than staying in. To each his own. Of course, I still attend for the sake of family which is likely why I don't think its a big deal. I really believe our experiences and bias really color our opinion much more than the facts.

  Welcome to the board and look forward to hearing more from you!
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  The Pain of Coming to a Decision

  by daniel-p in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's been at least a couple years since i've posted anything on here, and much longer than that since when i was active.

  ten years ago i first came here all in turmoil over my disillusionment of my beliefs.

  i've been through lots of ups and downs since then.

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  Daniel,

  Sorry I missed this post at first. As I read your dilemma, I can relate in so many ways. Only you can decide the right course of action. Know that you aren't alone and there are folks here and other places that are more than happy to talk. I saw counseling mentioned several places and that could be a great option if you are both willing to try it.

  This cult disgusts me more and more every day.
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  Chaos at Brooklyn Bethel 12/2016

  by James Jack in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this was how it was described to me yesterday by a brother who has been there for some 40 years.

  "everyone is about gone; the governing body is set to leave within 2 months; the kitchen and laundry personnel are gone and i have to fend for myself now.".

  "also the aggravation of 4 to 5 business men in suits with clipboards daily checking out the watchtower properties.

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  I feel sorry for some of these folks. Not the jerks, but there are some good sincere people who believe the cult's promise that they were part of a "family" and would be taken care of. Remember, outside of the higher-ups, they are also cult victims whose entire world is crashing down.
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  "Theocratic Warfare" still alive and well within Watchtower in 2016!

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it seems like the watchtower is still encouraging "theocratic warfare".

  in the no.1 watchtower of 2016, they (ironically) printed an article on honesty.here is something they said:"lyingwhat is it?

  saying something false to someone who is entitledto know the truth.

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  Doubting Bro

  And that's why I make up time to keep them away from me and tell them what they want to hear. They don't deserve the truth.